#Steyr mannlicher full stock full
However, there is no reference I can find that attributes the full stock rifle style as being his design or invention or the exclusive property of Steyr-Mannlicher. Seems Ferdinand joined with Steyr in 1866 and came up with quite a few innovations that were patented. I did a little research & found that my "story" from back in the day had a slight resemblance to the truth. Though I concede I may be wrong on this point, I have yet to see an example to the contrary.īy the way, the Mannlicher in Mannlicher-Schoenauer firearms is in reference to Ferdinand Mannlicher, the Austrian firearms designer who designed them. I don't know if Steyr had the word Mannlicher trademarked or not, but, in any case, I don't believe any other firearms manufacturer used the term in an official, public way, i.e., in so-named brands or models. Further, you will never see a Sako rifle or carbine with the name Mannlicher stamped into the steel. In all of their ads that I've viewed, dating from the fifties to the present day, the closest I've seen of the word Mannlicher in any of them is the abbreviation "Mann." to describe their Mannlicher-style stocked carbines. On Sako's website, the word Mannlicher is non-existent.
If you do a Gunbroker lookup of Sako, you will find many listings with the word Mannlicher in them, but they are all unofficial monikers. In other words, they may have used the word, as you say, stonecreek, as a generic terminology for full-length wood stock in their records, but not in any marketing or official model name. Also, Sako, to the best of my knowledge, never used the word "Mannlicher" in any public way. To further define it is futile, IMHO.Ĭlick to expand.I don't know about the titled part, but Mannlicher-Schoenaurs, the rifles that at least at one time were the most recognized of all full-length stock longarms, were manufactured by Steyr-Daimler-Puch which became Steyr Mannlicher AG which very recently became Steyr Arms, the point being "Mannlicher" was a recognized manufacturer's name. Mannlicher is one of those terms that any rifleman will understand what it describes, anywhere in the world. Now it seems everybody misnames detachable box magazines, but we still know what they mean. GI's coming back from WWII started using the term "clip" to describe any magazine for any gun because of their familiarity with the 8 round enbloc "clip" used in the M1 Garand. There are lots of terms or names whose true meaning gets lost or perverted over time. Any history buffs out there that can confirm? If Sako was using the term back in the 50's, then there was obviously no trademark or copyright issues. Least that's a story I remember from back in the day. I don't think Mannlicher was a rifle maker or company of any kind. Wasn't Mannlicher actually a Duke or Prince or some titled nobleman that liked the full stock rifle? Schoenauer or Steyr or whoever was making those rifles at the time named them after him as an honor or more probably as an marketing ploy. So, here is my question: Just like we don't call a paper towel a "Kleenex", should we call a long-barreled rifle with a full wood stock a "Mannlicher"? But Sako recorded both the carbines and the rifles as "Mannlicher".
On the other hand, Sako "Mannlichers" came in both carbine and full length rifle barrels (20 inches and 23-24 inches). I don't think they ever made a full wood/full length barrel rifle, or did they? However, unless I am missing something, Mannlicher only made their full wood guns in carbine length barrels of 20 inches or less, while they made half-stock rifles with longer barrels. Now, Steyr Mannlicher made not only full wood guns, but also half-stock rifles as well.
You get the drift: Utilizing a proprietary name which has become a generic name for a particular product or style. That's sort of like Hewlett-Packard records using the term "Xerox" for their copiers, or a manufacturer of facial tissues listing them as "Kleenex" in their production log. Sako's full wood guns are recorded as "Mannlicher" in their records.
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